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toiletoctopus Original Post: Aug 27 '08,  2:52 pm           
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Post: 199544
Thank You Epinions!

I just wanted to say thank you, for having a new format to use when writing reviews. While some might have liked it before, I couldn't stand having to constantly use the brackets to make letters bold. I also like the new spell checker, which could be the most helpful new feature of all.

Whoever is responsible for this thank you!

Mike

   
jps246 Posted: Aug 27 '08,  4:18 pm (Updated: Aug 27 '08,  4:19 pm)           
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RE: Thank You Epinions!

Quote: toiletoctopus
Whoever is responsible for this thank you!

Thanks from here too!

   
popsrocks Posted: Aug 27 '08,  4:53 pm           
Reviews written: 1832
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Post: 199582
RE: Thank You Epinions!

Quote: toiletoctopus
I just wanted to say thank you, for having a new format to use when writing reviews. While some might have liked it before, I couldn't stand having to constantly use the brackets to make letters bold. I also like the new spell checker, which could be the most helpful new feature of all.

Whoever is responsible for this thank you!

Mike


I hope to give a thanks too. Once the probs I have settle.

I do like the spell check. I have always done my work directly on site. I also like that a double space is automatically set when we hit the "Enter" key. That should help newbies get the idea that double spacing is what most of us find easier to read.

pops
   
desslok Posted: Aug 28 '08,  12:33 am (Updated: Aug 28 '08,  12:44 am)           
Reviews written: 456
Member since: Dec 28 '01
Post: 199638
BLECH!

I hate it with a burning passion. Come on, HTML isnt that hard, and it gives you MUCH more control over the way you get your review formatted.

Dont dumb the interface down like that! Or at least give us the option of doing the old way, too!


***edit***
Okay, I just spent the last half hour wrestling with this stupid interface, trying to get my review into a readable format, let alone something that actually LOOKS good and at this point, I give up. I've spent longer trying to get things to look correctly than I did writing this stupid thing.

Fortunatly, that was the last review I needed for the month. Sadly though, that will probably be my last review for a while. The frustration level is just way too great for my dollar. . . .

   
jps246 Posted: Aug 28 '08,  5:04 am           
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RE: BLECH!

Quote: desslok
I hate it with a burning passion. Come on, HTML isnt that hard, and it gives you MUCH more control over the way you get your review formatted.

Dont dumb the interface down like that! Or at least give us the option of doing the old way, too!

Fortunatly, that was the last review I needed for the month. Sadly though, that will probably be my last review for a while. The frustration level is just way too great for my dollar. . . .

I don't want to sound like a cheerleader for the new editor since it does have issues (it took a bit of work to publish my review last night), but it's also not the end of the world. Just because it's been pushed out onto the site doesn't mean it'll never be modified again. I'm sure that the engineers will be looking at it to see how things are going and will probably work on trying to get the HTML codes to nest correctly, which seems to be the major problem.

For now, either skip HTML entirely or only use the editor's tools for HTML - highlight whatever you want bold/italic/linked and use the buttons in the editor and it should work.
   
ladyconsumer Posted: Aug 28 '08,  5:59 am           
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Post: 199655
RE: BLECH!

Yeah... should work. Except for those pesky end of line markers that are getting in the way causing the "opeing... without a closing..." errors. See the other thread for more details.

   
jps246 Posted: Aug 28 '08,  6:42 am (Updated: Aug 28 '08,  6:50 am)           
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Post: 199664
link to help

Quote: ladyconsumer
Yeah... should work. Except for those pesky end of line markers that are getting in the way causing the "opeing... without a closing..." errors. See the other thread for more details.

I know, I know...see, I didn't say it would work...LOL...

Here's a link to your very helpful HTML coding/nesting advice in the other thread...

I also started a new Text Editor Help Thread in hopes of centralizing the discussion and making it easier for others to find help on the topic here on the boards.

Jeff
   
kbolton72 Posted: Aug 28 '08,  10:28 am           
Reviews written: 194
Member since: Jan 28 '01
Post: 199706
RE: Thank You Epinions!

Quote: toiletoctopus
I just wanted to say thank you, for having a new format to use when writing reviews. While some might have liked it before, I couldn't stand having to constantly use the brackets to make letters bold. I also like the new spell checker, which could be the most helpful new feature of all.

Whoever is responsible for this thank you!

Mike



DITTO!!! :D

I was able to use it once when it was still 'beta' and it took me 1/2 the time, and the creative juices were able to flow not having to think about html!

Now I can pump out some serious reviews! I am excited! Thank you thank you thank you!! :D
   
desslok Posted: Aug 28 '08,  5:32 pm           
Reviews written: 456
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Post: 199797
RE: BLECH!

Quote: jps246
For now, either skip HTML entirely or only use the editor's tools for HTML - highlight whatever you want bold/italic/linked and use the buttons in the editor and it should work.


I tried that. For starters, I'm wasting all kinds of time now going back through my writing and adding in italics and bold (of which I use quite a bit of on movie titles and cast listings), instead of including it as I write - which means that I'll no doubt miss some bits that need italics here and there.

But put that aside for a moment - I did indeed try the editors tools. I spent half an hour going through and making all my headers bold and all my movie titles italics. I do all that, publish the review and find out that the formatting's all fvcked up anyway because there are line breaks all over the place.

Great. I go back in and remove these extra lines, only to have ALL of my editor tool inserted HTML get messed up. Suddenly all my damn tags are open and I cant save the damn thing! Hey thanks! Now I get to waste MORE time fixing things again.

Is this the end of the world? No - but it *IS* a death blow to the enjoyment in writing here.
   
ladyconsumer Posted: Aug 28 '08,  5:42 pm (Updated: Aug 28 '08,  5:42 pm)           
Reviews written: 470
Member since: Jul 11 '05
Post: 199801
RE: BLECH!

Check out the other thread - we're working through those very issues, and coming up with workable solutions (while we await real fixes).

   
ssjakira1 Posted: Aug 28 '08,  6:11 pm           
Reviews written: 683
Member since: May 13 '03
Post: 199806
RE: BLECH!

Quote: ladyconsumer
Check out the other thread - we're working through those very issues, and coming up with workable solutions (while we await real fixes).

I won't lie. I have little faith for real fixes. It didn't work right when they tested it (in fact, it worked better if you can believe that) and I wrote in and explained what the problems were.

They came out with it anyway and it's worse (none of these HTML freak outs).

I remember when I stopped complaining and patiently waited for progress that was promised. I even changed my tune and championed for this site (for those that remember).

Now, well, I'm pretty much just in the mindset of, "Screw it. I'm going to go watch cartoons." (or something equally entertaining like 300)

All I can say now is thank God the WYSIWYG concept hasn't been applied to the message boards.

...I shudder to think of that scenario...
   
popsrocks Posted: Aug 28 '08,  9:42 pm (Updated: Aug 29 '08,  1:56 pm)           
Reviews written: 1832
Member since: Aug 25 '02
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Post: 199820
RE: BLECH!

I'm starting to get the feel of this but is still seems far from user friendly. I'm disliking the fact that almost every older review I have gone to update has the html errors and though I have found some of the problems by going into the html feature, it's labor intensive.

Now I know how to link directly through the editor. Pretty simple...pretty cool!!


popswillingtolearnnewtricksbutwonderswhysomearenowhardertoperform

edited to add that the linking is easy

   
desslok Posted: Aug 28 '08,  10:58 pm (Updated: Aug 28 '08,  10:59 pm)           
Reviews written: 456
Member since: Dec 28 '01
Post: 199828
RE: BLECH!

Putting aside that the new system sucks for the moment, we shouldnt HAVE to work around like that. What the hell kind of QA departmemnt lets something like this - BASIC functionality - roll out the door in this condition?!? And right before the end of the month, too. Okay, if this were the first week of September or something, it would be annoying, but you wouldnt be under the crunch to get X more reviews done in the next three days. Now I'm spending more time fighting against the presentation than I am finishing up my reviews before the clock runs out.

Sorry, but that's just plain idiocy.

   
bkalafut Posted: Aug 29 '08,  1:29 am           
Reviews written: 201
Member since: Nov 21 '03
Post: 199832
Yuck-ola

This editor is the solution to a problem that never existed. Now I find myself having to argue with it as it inserts superfluous line-break tags between paragraphs. The "HTML" button is not the same as giving those of us who were doing just fine with the old one the option of sticking with what works, although I must say it's better than the beta testing, where (until we deleted our cookies) it was as though we had a car with the hood welded shut.

And as a stone GNU/Linux user who writes almost everything in LaTeX using vi, "paste from Word" is laughable. Why would I want to do that, even if I could? Plain text editing with visible format tags is so much more convenient. WordPerfect was nice because we got to "reveal codes" and beat the program into submission. Here we can "reveal codes" in a sense, and we still get superfluous br tags.

On a semi-related note, a "thumbs-up" for the decision to forbid HTML tags in the titles. I don't know what people were thinking, in putting them in in the first place. Web page titles are not formatted; the tags show up *verbatim* in window or tab title bars, on search engines, and make it look as though the site is broken.

   
ladyconsumer Posted: Aug 29 '08,  5:24 am           
Reviews written: 470
Member since: Jul 11 '05
Post: 199838
RE: Yuck-ola

Quote: bkalafut


On a semi-related note, a "thumbs-up" for the decision to forbid HTML tags in the titles. I don't know what people were thinking, in putting them in in the first place. Web page titles are not formatted; the tags show up *verbatim* in window or tab title bars, on search engines, and make it look as though the site is broken.



Agree! I used to use html in titles until I realized how they looked in Google. Then I stopped.

   
sleeper54 Posted: Aug 29 '08,  6:48 am           
Reviews written: 433
Member since: Feb 24 '01
Post: 199844
RE: Yuck-ola

Quote: bkalafut
--snip--

On a semi-related note, a "thumbs-up" for the decision to forbid HTML tags in the titles. I don't know what people were thinking, in putting them in in the first place. Web page titles are not formatted; the tags show up *verbatim* in window or tab title bars, on search engines, and make it look as though the site is broken.

Soooo, you had voiced this thought somewhere before..?? A message board post, in a 'writing' essay at the member center, in e-mails to users who were doing it..??


I certainly know what search engine output looks like, and I have certainly seen HTML tags in displayed results there. Just not sure I trusted a given link less just because there was some displayed HTML.



...tom...
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scmrak Posted: Aug 29 '08,  7:02 am           
Reviews written: 1192
Member since: Sep 27 '00
Post: 199847
RE: Yuck-ola

Quote: sleeper54
Just not sure I trusted a given link less just because there was some displayed HTML.
Sure, because you know what all those <s and >s and /s mean. What about those who are less well-informed about what actually goes on behind the scene on the internet? I can imagine my mother-in-law (no offense meant, Peg) seeing something like <i><b>Harry Potter and the Curmudgeons of Grammar</b></i> Is a Winner by Me! in search results and thinking, "What on Earth is all that about?"

I suspect it gives some pause...

-30-

rex
   
pestyside Posted: Aug 29 '08,  7:58 am           
Reviews written: 783
Member since: Jul 19 '05
Post: 199850
RE: Yuck-ola

Quote: scmrak
I can imagine my mother-in-law (no offense meant, Peg) seeing something like Harry Potter and the Curmudgeons of Grammar Is a Winner by Me! in search results and thinking, "What on Earth is all that about?"


-30-

rex




Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! She'd just try to correct it by deleting something from the hard drive and then wonder why her email no longer works.


   
gb_slice Posted: Aug 29 '08,  9:10 am           
Reviews written: 25
Member since: Mar 22 '05
Post: 199855
revamp

Found the new editing system when I came back to finish a review. I'm sure there are bugs to work out of the system (there always are), but it's a step in the right direction.

I look forward to Epinions continuing this revamp on the rest of the site.
Cheers,
GB

   
carstairs38 Posted: Aug 29 '08,  9:45 am           
Reviews written: 928
Member since: Oct 03 '05
Post: 199857
RE: Yuck-ola

Quote: bkalafut
This editor is the solution to a problem that never existed.


Actually, it is an attempt to make members happy. Something that came up quite regularly is a wish for a WYSIWYG editor and a spell check in the input page.

Frankly, it does sound like there are lots of problems with it as released. And I will agree the old system worked. However, there were enough requests for this that they were trying to make people happy.

Mark
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